Thursday, December 27, 2012

Decide for Yourself: Is A.A. Christian?


Is A.A. Christian?

Dick B.

Copyright 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved

 

More and more, people are Googling in the question: Is A.A. Christian?

 Is it?

Some, including a few Christian writers who are anti-A.A., are quick to jump in and answer with a Bible verse or two, an admonition or three, and plenteous irrelevant condemnations alleging in error that A.A. sprang from spiritualism, Masonry, LSD use, New Thought.

Instead of pondering this biased speculation, why not investigate for yourself and then decide for yourself. Making sure you look at all the evidence, and not just some undocumented material by someone who not dislikes A.A. and Christian AAs but is determined to dissuade thousands and thousands from seeking help in it.

Again: Is A.A. Christian?

Why not start with facts before attempting to answer the question in any meaningful, useful, and helpful way!

One very clear set of facts can be found in the words of cofounder Dr. Bob’s last major speech published in The Co-Founders of Alcoholics Anonymous: Biographical Sketches Their Last Major Talks. Dr. Bob said the early AAs had no Steps, no Traditions, no drunkalogs, (and, of course, no Big Book text). They simply believed the answer to their problems was in the Bible. They assiduously studied Jesus’s Sermon on the Mount, the Book of James, and 1 Corinthians 13. And Dr. Bob went on to say that even the basic ideas of the Twelve Steps (published four years after A.A. was founded) came from the study and effort that had been going on in the Bible from 1935 until the Steps were published in 1939.

Was A.A. Christian then? Dr. Bob called it a Christian Fellowship! And many observers said it was First Century Christianity in action.

How about the later years after the Big Book was published in 1939 and after Dr. Bob had died at the end of the 1940’s?

You might first ask  "What is A.A.?" Or, "What A.A. literature--past or present--can shed light on the question?" Or, "Who is asking the question?" Or, “Is the questioner studying A.A., condemning A.A., researching A.A., trying to prove the affirmative that AA was and is Christian? Or, trying to argue the negative, contending that Christians will go to hell if they set foot in a meeting. Or, stating that the Bible prohibits attending A.A., or stating flatly that A.A. is Christian or not Christian. And then ask: to what period in A.A.'s 75 years or so, does the questioner refer?

You can start by finding out the major influences on A.A. historically.

These are the Young Men’s Christian Association, Christian evangelists like Dwight Moody and F.B. Meyer, the Salvation Army, the Gospel Rescue Missions including the one where one cofounder made his decision for Jesus Christ, and The Young People's Society of Christian Endeavor. One comprehensive, documented study can be found in Dick B. and Ken B.’s, Dr. Bob of Alcoholics Anonymous. Another is Dick B.’s, The Conversion of Bill W. Still another can be found in Dick B.’s Real Twelve Step Fellowship History. And if the inquirer investigates the footnotes, the quotes, and the bibliographies in those books, he will find the documentation.

You can move on to look at the Christian upbringing of A.A.'s cofounders Dr. Robert H. Smith and William G. Wilson in Vermont. You will mostly have to look outside of A.A. for details. But the books above will be helpful. And so will several more recent ones by Dick B. and Ken B. But two A.A. Conference-approved books can start you on your quest. One is DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers (1980). Another is "Pass It On." And still another is the autobiography of Bill W. himself. Another, the biography of Bill's doctor, "The Little Doctor Who Loved Drunks." Still others, the works on Bill by Susan Cheever and Nan Robertson.

Then you can look at how the first three AAs got sober. And what they had to say about God, Christianity, the Bible, and how they were delivered from alcoholism.

A.A. Number One, Bill Wilson, was told by his doctor (Silkworth) that the "Great Physician" Jesus Christ could cure him. Bill made a decision for Jesus Christ at the altar of Calvary Mission in New York. Bill wrote that he was "born again." And Bill decided to call on the "Great Physician" for help. Finally, Bill cried out to God for help at Towns Hospital. Bill had a "white light experience." He sensed the presence of "the God of the Scriptures," as he phrased it. And he never drank again. But he did immediately go about with a Bible under his arm, telling his story, and telling drunks they must give their lives to God in order to get well. Bill had been raised a Christian in East Dorset and Manchester, Vermont. He had studied the Bible in both places. He had accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior in New York. And, in A.A.'s own Big Book, he was quoted as saying "the Lord has cured me of this terrible disease."

A.A. Number Two, Dr. Bob Smith, had been a member of St. Johnsbury's North Congregational Church when his parents were raising him to believe in Jesus Christ and study the Word of God. Bob and his whole family were deeply involved in the North Congregational Church, with Young People's Society of Christian Endeavor, with the Young Men’s Christian Association, and with the Congregationalist St. Johnsbury Academy. And, as to it all, Dr. Bob stated he had received excellent training in the Bible as a youngster.

When Bob at last began his march to sobriety, he knelt on the rug in Akron with a group of Christians and prayed to God for his deliverance. Shortly, his prayers were answered by the visit of his new friend-to-be, Bill Wilson. And Dr. Bob soon quit drinking forever, studied the Bible intensely, and was a member of at least two Christian churches in Akron, Ohio—a Presbyterian church and an Episcopal Church, the latter a year before he died.

A.A. Number Three, Bill Dotson, an Akron attorney, and a drunk, had long believed in God, taught Sunday school in and was a Deacon of a Christian church in Akron. Dotson received the witness of Bob and Bill while in the Akron City Hospital. He turned to God for help. And he was instantly cured. In A.A.'s Big Book, Dotson (like Bill Wilson) declared that the Lord had cured him also.

Early AAs in the group founded by Wilson, Smith, and Dotson called themselves a Christian fellowship. All newcomers were required to profess belief in God, to make a decision for Jesus Christ, to study the Bible, to make a surrender of their lives to God, and to attend "old fashioned prayer meetings." They also were urged to fellowship with other believers and attend a religious service once a week.

Was Akron A.A. Christian in the 1930's? You be the judge.

Did A.A. as a Society change its face when it published its Big Book in 1939?

It removed the word "God" from its Second, Third, and Eleventh suggested Steps of recovery. It tossed out some 400 pages of its draft manuscript--all said to have contained Christian and biblical materials. And it avowedly declared it did so in order to placate atheist and agnostic drunks who wanted to get sober in the Society.

At that point, was A.A. Christian after its Big Book and Steps were published in April 1939?

You be the judge.

What about today's A.A? It has changed again so that the Lord's Prayer no longer closes many of its meetings. It often refuses to sanction groups that study the Bible, mention Jesus Christ, or study Christian literature. A.A.’s present-day publications more and more call the Society "spiritual but not religious"--even though the courts have mostly rejected this statement. Its literature more and more says that you don't have to believe in anything at all to be a member of A.A.

 Is today's A.A. Christian? You be the judge.

But! The point made here is that you can be the judge. You can be a Christian in A.A. You can believe what you wish, read what you wish, worship where you wish, and "be" whatever you wish to be. A.A. has no authority, no power, no leader, and no employee who can exclude anyone from its membership or censor books or "govern" what groups do or do not do.

Therefore, today there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of Christians in A.A. And they are neither barred, nor evicted, nor suppressed by anything except by rude, boisterous, and sometimes insulting remarks of a few intolerant "bleeding deacons"--as Bill Wilson used to call such dissenters.

In the opinion of the author, based on the foregoing evidence: (1) A.A. was Christian to the core in its origins. (2) A.A. founders and the first three AAs were Christians in their upbringing. (3) The same three were believers in God and Christians when they turned to God for help and were cured. (4) The Akron fellowship was not only Christian, but said so.

Today, as a member of A.A., you can believe in God, be or become a Christian, believe what you wish, worship where you wish, belong to a Christian denomination if you wish, read the Bible and Christian literature if you wish, and talk about what you wish in meetings.

A.A. is not organized. Its leaders are but trusted servants. They do not govern. Groups are expected to turn to and follow the guidance of "a loving God" as He may express Himself in their group conscience. And anyone who disagrees can, as an A.A., buy a coffee pot and take his resentment and disagreement with him to a group he and another alcoholic can form or to which he may choose to belong--Christian or not.

Gloria Deo

 

Friday, December 21, 2012

2 New A.A. History Books Now on Amazon for 2013

Many of radio interviews, conferences, workshops, and gatherings of and about recovered Christian alcoholics and addicts leaders and workers in early 2013 will be very much focused on two of the most recent Alcoholics Anonymous History books published by Dick B. and Ken B. and being made available right now in print-on-demand and electronic form on Amazon and other ebook outlets:

1. Stick with the Winners! How to Conduct More Effective 12-Step Recovery Meetings Using Conference-approved Literature: A Dick B. Guide for Christian Leaders and Workers in the Recovery Arena.

2. Pioneer Stories in "Alcoholics Anonymous": God's Role in Recovery Confirmed!

Please feel free to contact dickb@dick.com if you want to buy these at a substantial discount for your group, meeting, conferences, sponsees, clients, programs, and fellowships.

Sunday, December 9, 2012

Another complaint about Glenn C.'s censorship of AA history

This matter is posted on the aabibliography site which has been banned from Chesnut's site:

"Hello LD,

 

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles, but I'm not at all surprised. Another friend of mine also got banned from the AA History Lovers yahoo group for mentioning bits of history that they didn't want to hear about, like the 100 Men Corporation.

 

The AAHL group isn't really a history group, it's a mythology group where they demand that people repeat the old legends and myths in the approved orthodox manner, or else.

 

Oh well, have a good day anyway.

 

== Orange

 

 

*             orange@orange-papers.org        *

*         AA and Recovery Cult Debunking      *

*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *

**   "Things are now in motion that cannot be undone."

**     ==  Gandalf, Lord Of The Rings

 

Saturday, December 8, 2012

Early A.A. Frequent Mention of Jesus Christ


 

A.A.: Frequent References to Jesus by A.A. Pioneers

         Dick B.

                  Copyright 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved

Was Jesus Christ shelved in early A.A. and replaced by “Something,” as one A.A. historian wrote years ago? Did early A.A. principles and practices include belief in God and coming to Him through His Son Jesus Christ? A few A.A. critics seem to think so. Others just haven’t done their homework or don’t care.

“Is Jesus even mentioned in early A.A. literature?”

“Did A.A.’s founders frequently mention Jesus?”

“If so, are there still a number of A.A. General Services Conference-approved books and materials that mention, refer to, or discuss the role of Jesus in recovery from alcoholism?”

Answers: Yes! Yes! And Yes!

 

In fact, there are so many references, that it will suffice to mention and document a few of them, and then let inquirers search for themselves – just as Dr. Bob used to require questioners in early A.A. to search in the Bible for answers to their questions about the program.

Here is Where You Can Find the Answers

Bill W. and The Great Physician, Jesus Christ:  In his own autobiography, Bill Wilson spoke of the “Great Physician”—a metaphor for Jesus Christ. This reference to Jesus Christ as the “Great Physician” was also often uttered by Bill Wilson’s doctor, William D. Silkworth, M.D. See Bill W. My First 40 Years: An Autobiography by the Cofounder of Alcoholics Anonymous, 139, 145, 147; Dale Mitchel, Silkworth The Little Doctor Who Loved Drunks: The Biography of William Duncan Silkworth, M.D.. 44, 47, 49, 50, 51, 225; Dick B., The Conversion of Bill W.: More on the Creator’s Role in Early A.A., 43, 50, 52-53, 56, 59, 60, 62-67, 70, 76, 100-02, 115, 126, 133-34, 173, 189, 193.

Bill W. and “The Lord. . . curing me. . .”:  Probably the most emphatic testimony as to the role of Jesus Christ in Bill Wilson’s recovery, as Bill himself phrased it, is found on page 191 of the latest (4th, 2001) edition of Alcoholics Anonymous. Moreover, Bill’s affirmation of Jesus’s role was echoed on that same page 191 by Bill Dotson, AA Number 3.

Bill W. and his decision for Jesus Christ:  Mrs. Samuel M. Shoemaker, an eye witness, told me (and Bill’s wife Lois attested in a recorded talk she gave in Texas) that Bill had made a decision for Jesus Christ – “handed his life over to Christ.” Dick B., The Conversion of Bill W., 61-62.

Bill W. himself twice confirmed his statement: “For sure I had been born again.” Bill W.: My First 40 Years, 147; Dick B., Turning Point, 94-98; A New Way In, 62; The Conversion of Bill W., 62.

Bill W. told AAs this at his last full-length talk at an A.A. meeting in New York (quoting. Bill Dr. Bob’s reminder “that most of us were practicing Christians.”  The Co-Founders of Alcoholics Anonymous: Biographical Sketches Their Last Major Talks, 30.

Bill W. pointed out to the Lecturers at Yale University that “a great many of us have taken to reading the Bible.” Alcohol, Science and Society: Twenty-nine Lectures with Discussions as given at the Yale Summer School of Alcohol Studies. “Journal of Studies on Alcohol, Inc., 1945, W.W., Lecture 29, The Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous,” 467.

Dr. Bob is frequently quoted in The Co-Founders Pamphlet P-53, as speaking about “Jesus Christ,” the “Master,” God, his “Heavenly Father,” and the “Good Book” as he often called the Bible: The Co-Founders, 11, 13-15, 19, 20. 30. And, on page 34, Bill said of Bob: “So Dr. Bob became the prince of all twelfth-steppers. Perhaps nobody will ever do such a job again.” And—if the “Prince of all Twelfth-Steppers” thought it important to refer frequently to his Lord and Master Jesus Christ—shouldn’t we?

You can find for yourself many other statements (about which I have written extensively), as to how early AAs, their “co-founders,” and their predecessors spoke of Jesus Christ. Examples are 

(1)    Dr. Bob’s wife Anne Smith mentioned Christ in the journal from which she daily shared with early AAs and their families. (2) Rev. Sam Shoemaker—who was called a cofounder of A.A. by Bill W.—started writing about Jesus Christ in his very first significant bookRealizing Religion, and continued to do so throughout his long career. (3) Shoemaker pointed out that Calvary Mission—where Bill W. made his decision for Christ—was the place where Jesus Christ changes lives. (4) Bill W. marched in a processional from Calvary Church to Madison Square to witness—as the group carried the sign, “Jesus Christ changes lives.” (5) Endless Oxford Group writings were read by early AAs and frequently mentioned Jesus Christ. (6) Dr. Bob mentioned many times that early AAs considered that the Bible’s Book of James, Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, and 1 Corinthians 13 were “absolutely essential to the early program;” and, of course, it was Jesus that delivered the sermon (see Matthews 5, 6, 7)." 

Gloria Deo

Thursday, December 6, 2012

Hundreds of A.A. Photos of A.A.'s Important Vermont Roots


The New Historical Era Reporting of A.A.’s Vermont Roots

Hundreds of Photos Now Available on http://drbob.info

Dick B.

 

Between September 1 and 10, 2012, a large group of recovered Christian A.A. leaders, workers, and archivists spent their time visiting and researching all of the important A.A. locations in Vermont which played such a major role in the origins, history, founding, original Christian Fellowship program, and successes of early A.A.  The research trip was a project of the International Christian Recovery Coalition.

 

Jim H., a long-recovered archivist from the State of Washington, was with us every step of the way. He took hundreds of photos of the many places visited and researched. These included Dorset, Danby, Emerald Lake, East Dorset, Rutland, Manchester, St. Johnsbury, and Northfield, Vermont, as well as the Dwight  L. Moody campus in Northfield, Massachusetts.

 

The result was a comprehensive picture of the places where A.A.’s main founding group lived or were much involved in the State of Vermont. These founding people included Bill Wilson, Mark Whalon, Lois Burnham Wilson and the Burnham family, Bill Wilson’s high school love Bertha Bamford and her family, Bill’s grandparents the Griffiths, Bill’s grandparents the Wilsons, Bill’s mother and sister and brother-in-law, Bill’s step mother, Edwin Throckmorton Thacher, the Thacher family, the Burnham family, Rowland Hazard, Cebra Graves, F. Shepard Cornell, Judge Collins Graves, Rev. Sidney K. Perkins of Manchester, Robert Holbrook Smith, Judge Walter Smith, Susan Amanda Holbrook Smith, Amanda Northrup, the entire Fairbanks family of St. Johnsbury, Col. Franklin Fairbanks, Vermont Governors Horace and  Erastus Fairbanks, Thaddeus Fairbanks, Joseph Fairbanks, Rogers Burnham, the son of Rev. Perkins, Dwight L. Moody, Robert E. Speer, Ira Sankey, Allen Folger, and a host  of others—all centered around Vermont.

 

If you go to our website http://drbob.info, you will see the photographic panorama produced by our friend and A.A. archivist Jim. H. who came all the way from the State of Washington to the State of Vermont. In so doing, he has produced photos of Wilson House, Griffith House, East Dorset Congregational Church, the locations of the Wilson family in Rutland—their home, their school, and the Congregational Church. He also produced photos  of the Wilson family cemetery, the homes of the Thachers and the Burnhams in Manchester, Burr and Burton Academy, Manchester Congregational Church, the Manchester Congregational pastor’s home, the Episcopal Church in Manchester, the campus at Norwich Military Academy in Northfield, the Mount Hermon home and campus of Dwight L. Moody, North  Congregational Church of St.  Johnsbury, St. Johnsbury Academy, the St .Johnsbury Court House, the Athenaeum (town library), the location of the St. Johnsbury YMCA building, Dr. Bob’s boyhood home and birthplace, Dr. Bob’s Summer Street  School, the Fairbanks Museum, the Fairbanks Inn, and other places of historical importance in A.A.’s new Vermont era history.                 

 

You can locate the many photos at:

 

drbob.info/photos.shtml

 

They are listed as aajimh's Photos and Videos

 

Wednesday, December 5, 2012

URL Addresses for Stick with the Winners Book


The Stick with the Winners! book is available in 6" x 9" paperback format from Amazon.com:


The Stick with the Winners! book is also available in various eBook formats (iPhone, Amazon.com Kindle, and Barnes and Noble Nook). Here is the URL address for the book in the Amazon.com Kindle store:

Translating into Spanish "The Good Book and the Big Book"


Great News About the Translation into Spanish

Of

The Good Book and the Big Book: A.A.’s Roots in the Bible

 

A few years ago, a great gentleman from Mexico came to Maui and  was also a person closely linked to the same Christian Endeavor Society in which A.A.’s Dr. Bob was active. This man was a member of Christian Endeavor and came to tell us about it. He was on Maui at his own expense engaged in work at our Haggai Institute in Kihei, Maui, Hawaii. And what a great opportunity it was to gain still further information about Christian Endeavor from a living participant.

 

The man is Frank P., and not long ago he proposed to me that he and his group work up a translation into Spanish of  our landmark and  very much in demand

 Book, The Good Book and the Big Book: A.A.’s Roots in the Bible (www.dickb.com/goodbook.shtml). This came as wonderful news considering the huge influx of Hispanic people into the United States and the growth of A.A. in Central and South America.

 

Frank was offering to fill a need that surely needed to be met.

 

Frank has been true to his word. And here is a progress letter we just received:

 

 

Dear Dick

 

I hope you health has improved and the Lord is using you to bring the message of recovery to many people.

 

This is to let you know that we are about to finish the first draft  of  "The Good Book and the Big Book" into Spanish.

 

With the collaboration of my translation students we are 90 % done

 

Of course it is the first draft and it will need revision and edition.

 

If you have any words for the group please send me a message and I will pass it to them.

 

May God bless you and keep you.

 

In His Love

 

Frank

 

My reply to Frank:

 

Bless you and your cohorts and this wonderful service you are rendering for our Heavenly Father and to His glory. As you know, we are very much engaged in disseminating to Christian recovery leaders, workers, newcomers, and concerned members of the public the important role played in the recovery movement by God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Bible. And can still play today!

 

I am sure tens of thousands will learn a great deal about A.A.’s roots in the Bible when this project is completed. And please tell your entire group that our prayers are  with them, my health is fine, and we eagerly  await further news and completion.

 

In His Service,

 

Dick B., dickb@dickb.com

 

Gloria Deo

Saturday, December 1, 2012

Many more participants join International Christian Recovery Coalition


Add to the International Christian Recovery Participants List

12/1/2012

California

 

            Pleasanton

 

                        Chris Mullen, President and Lead Prison Minister, Mercy and Grace Ministries,

                        PO Box 1567, Pleasanton, CA 94566, 925 550 9403, chris@mercyandgrace.org

 

            San Jose

 

                        Jeff  King, CityTeam International,   jeffjazzlomg@gmail.com, 408 207 3542

 

                        Don Zonic, J.O.T.L. Ministries, joyofthelord@sbcglobal.net,408 568, 4874,

                        Joyofthelordrecovery.com

 

Darryl Pearson, Pastor, Seven Trees Church, 3195 Senter Road,  San Jose, California  95111,  650  289 1253

 

Rory Fly, believer 408 469 8182

 

            Fremont

 

                        Jeffrey A.  Poling, 41829 Albrae Street, Fremont, California 94538.

                        916 838 1880, jrggpoling838@hotmail.com

 

Florida

 

            Jacksonville Beach

 

Jimmy Hughes, PO Box 50325, Jacksonville Beach, FL , 32250, jameshughes@bellsouth.net, 246 4731

 

            Altamonte Springs

 

Debbie Baranska, Recovered believer, 586 Orange Dr., Apt 112, Altamonte Springs, FL 32701, 407 252 4073, Debbie.baranska3@gmail.com

 

            Okeechobee

 

                        Paul Cullum, Recovered believer, 1012 S.  Parrott Ave, Okeechobee, Florida

                        34974, 903 407 3467, paul@logre.org

 

            Pompano Beach

 

                        Pastor Don Fugate, CAC, Director, Journey2Freedom, 971 S. Dixie Highway W.,                                     Pompano Beach, FL 33050, PastorDon@logre.org, 954 946 7332

 

             New Port Richey

                        Vincent Leo, Recovered believer, Chronicles220@hotmail.com, 9101 Peony St.

                        New Port Richey, Florida 34654

 

            Jensen Beach

 

Tom Kocur, Chicago  PD, USCGR, Retired, 1600 NE Dixie Highway, Building

12, Unit 205, Jensen Beach, FL 772 342 2467, tob867@bellsouth.net

 

            Old Town

 

                        Yvonne Holt, believer, owner of Cable TV Co. in Suwannee, PO Box 56,

                        Old Town, Florida 32680, 352 542 9037, yvonnehholt@gmail.com

 

            Port Saint Lucie

 

                        Annie Rupp, believer, 2079 SW Castinet Lane, Port Saint Lucie, Florida 34953

            Stuart

 

Nancy Budd, believer, 4300 SE St. Lucie Blvd, 216 Palm, Florida lifesruffgetahelmet51@yahoo.com, 772 287 8316

 

            Suwannee

 

                        Sonja L. Reed, believer, PO Box  247, Suwannee, Florida, 32692, 352 542 0704,

                        Sonjareec673@ad.com

North Carolina           

 

            Davidson

 

Michael Elliott, Recovered believer, PO Box 1865, Davidson, North Carolina 28036, 704 765 6078, rockbornrealty@gmail.com

 

 

Ohio

 

            Cleveland       

 

                        David Gillette, Cleveland Intergroup, 216 289 4033, davidagillette@yahoo.com

 

            Niles

 

Greg Miller, Recovered believer, 330 501 7536, 1636 Gypsy Lane, Niles, Ohio 44446

Hawaii

 

            Volcano

 

                        Hayley & Tyler Ford, Recovered believers, Adventure Guides, PO Box 1261,

                        Volcano, HI 96785, 808 640 1618, EXLORE@AKAMAITOURS.COM

 

Indiana

 

            Rick & Jo Voirol, Recovered believers, 17233 Devall Road, Spencerville, IN 46788.

            260  458 5868, rickandjoe2R1@yahoo.com

 

            Joyce Butler, Recovered believer, 6719 Chickasaw, Ft. Wayne, Indiana 46815,

            260 433 3976 , joycebu@hotmail.com